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Thursday, May 25, 2006

Four Guilty Men

Like Millions of others around the country, The Erics - Paul Sam Phil and Dave did not vote in the recent local elections.

As a band we regard Morley as our home base - Sam and Paul grew up there Dave and Phil have gained an affinity through the great support we have always enjoyed at gigs in the area.

All of us are shocked and dismayed at the recent election of a BNP councilor in the area. We agreed when we set this site up that we would not use it to push our own political agenda's (those who know us well will realise that this would be impossible as we can fall out with each other over virtually nothing!).

However this issue is too important to ignore.

You can't have listened to and performed the music of The Clash, The Jam, Tom Robinson, The Specials, Greenday etc etc over all these years without being educated by the ideas and principles which underpins much of their writing and music.
We like the music we have always played are essentially anti-fascist and therefore anti-BNP.
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For those in any doubt, make no mistake - the BNP are straight from the pages of Mien Kamph, they will try to use the democracy which was saved from Hitler in WW2 to first gain credibility and then to overthrow it and carry out their real agenda of white supremacy and dictatorship (with the likes of their leader Nick Griffin as Fuhrer, god help us!).
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Obviously there are issues which the BNP are exploiting which are of genuine concern to all of us - Immigration chaos (real or imagined), Islamic fundamentalism (could say Christian as well), areas perceived as modern day ghettos where crime and employment and education are real everyday problems.
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Yes we have been badly let down by our politicians on these things, but is the answer really going to be a neo-Nazi one??
As the greatest English anti-fascist Winston Churchill said "Democracy is far from perfect, but it is preferable to the alternatives".
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So if and when there is a movement in Morley to reverse this political disaster The Erics will support it, even if its just with our votes next time!
Here are some links if anyone wants to get more info:
Lets vote for Hope not Hate

7 Comments:

Anonymous Steve the Pisshead said...

Hear hear,

Irrespective of political affiliations to the 'respected' parties, the barely disguised hate and bile that the BNP peddle should be recognised for what it is. Let this tragedy be a lesson to all of us. You may not think any of the major parties are electable countrywide and you may not think that the BNP stands a chance of getting their feet anywhere near Downing Street, but just remember the apathy the German people had towards their politicians post WWI that allowed Hitler and his National Socialists (how right-on that sounds when spelt out!!) to gain such power.

Make sure you exercise your given right to vote before it is taken away from you. Just remember, the Erics wouldn't have had a voice in Nazi Europe, nor any of the musicians they champion on their site.

Rock!!

11:40 pm

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you know about the BNP?
All you have done is demonstrate the rumours about what people think we are. Have you ever discussed this or visited a BNP candidate? Most of the anti BNP have never ventured outside their front door to find out what we are about and have got it totally wrong. British people are British but there are too many non original British people who would have us turned into their own country and our government has let it get out of hand. Let us not forget that these people came here for a better life but now they expect us to allow them to live by their own rules. We would not expect to do that if we left our homes to set up in their country. For those with a non Christian back ground, this is Primarily a Christian Country with Christian values. Respect this and we will begin to respect you. Recognise us the way you expect to be recognised yourself, fit in and we may begin to welcome you. Until then it will be difficult to live alongside each other. If you don't like it here, GO HOME.
That is why people voted us in in Morley. That is why we are making ground. There is no other Party that will confront this head on. It is not racism it is common sense.

5:34 pm

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Non christians, dont make me laugh Adolf!! - Thats 90% of the population then!

I am not sure those that are Chrsitians will be too chuffed at you using their faith to further your nasty cause either.

As for not getting out of the dront door - BNP members I have come across seem to be a bunch of back bedroom casualties who hanker after an England which hasn't existed since the Norman conquest.

Non Original British people (lol)
who do you think you are kidding mister Hitler..... just be honest mate you mean black people - When your not sculking in the back room of a Morely Pub you'll have to cover your racism a bit better than that or Griffin will have you expelled!

12:21 pm

 
Blogger Sam Hirst said...

OK Mr BNP supporter, lets have a discussion. Please. Intelligent argument from either side of the political divide is healthy, agreed? Good.

Right.


Nick Griffin is a holocaust denier. Fact. He was prosecuted for it and convicted in a court of law. So his anti-semitism is documented, he even suggested teaching that the Holocaust was a lie to school children. Now, I'm pretty well read on the subject, but a huge backlog of hard documented evidence from all responsible sources says that the Holocaust happened, fact, undeniable, even David Irving, who many of the far right based their views on, has backed down and admitted it. So, the only argument is anti-semitism. Now as Nick Griffin was editting The Rune, an anti-zionist publication, when he stated these views, that kind of suggests that he doesn't like the Jews. Remind you of anyone? Adolf Hitler? That'll be 1 and 8 of the alphabet. Combat 18 anyone? They had clear links with the BNP until they became an embarrasment, and are absolutely fascist, no question, don't even go there.

A final quote from someone who lies that he believes in democracy, ie the said Nick Griffin ....“The electors of Millwall did not back a post-modernist Rightist Party, but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan “Defend Rights for Whites’ with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate”. Get the whites bit did you???

Make any wonder the party is run mainly by thugs, or ex thugs at a grass roots level, when this is the attitude coming from the very top? And don't even think about denying it, I have a family member in the BNP, much to his and our disgrace, and I've seen the BNP supporters at our gigs in Dewsbury. I've even seen them abusing the fucking taxi drivers as their racist mates forget their principles as they need a trip into Batley.....

I'll leave you with a few facts and quotes, lest anyone still be in doubt as to the inherent evil behind the BNP.....

"""""David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux, is very close to Nick Griffin and the BNP. Griffin has regularly shared platforms with Duke and the American’s antisemitic and Holocaust denial material is sold through the BNP. Duke is currently living in Russia in a bid to avoid the US taxman.

National Democratic Party, Germany’s leading nazi group. NPD leaders deny the Holocaust took place and revere Adolf Hitler. The NPD shares many of its activists with the outlawed Blood and Honour skinhead movement. Griffin addressed a NPD rally in August 2002. NPD activists have attended BNP events in Britain.

Front National, the French fascist group led by Jean-Marie Le Pen. Le Pen was convicted for dismissing the Holocaust as a “mere detail” of the Second World War and for violence. BNP supporters are regular attendees at the FN’s annual summer festival and Griffin has publicly stated his admiration for the group. A member of the FN leadership addressed the 2002 BNP Red, White and Blue festival.


David Irving
Holocaust deniers. The BNP, and especially Nick Griffin, are close to many of the world’s leading Holocaust deniers. Robert Faurisson, one of the foremost Holocaust deniers, was a star witness at Griffin’s trial for racial hatred in 1998. The German Gunter Deckert, who has been to prison for denying the Holocaust, spoke at a London BNP meeting in 2001. Even the British Holocaust denier and antisemite, David Irving, has addressed BNP meetings.""""

Oh, and you want to know what kind of people are in chatge of the BNP? Here we go....

""""""Nick Griffin (Party Chairman) Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine The Rune carried obscene anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.


Tony Lecomber
Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of homemade hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three-years imprisonment.
In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.

Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.

John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.

Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser. Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home-town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.

Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.

Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him.


Robert Bennett
Robert Bennett. A leading activist in Oldham BNP during the 2002 elections campaign, Bennett has served five years in prison for the gang rape of a woman. He has also served seven years for armed robbery and has over 30 convictions in total.


Mick Treacy. The Oldham organiser has five convictions for violence, theft, and handling stolen goods

Darren Dobson. Found guilty of racially aggravated assault at Oldham magistrates in November 2001. Fined £300. Connected to football hooligans in the Oldham area, and has links to the nazi terror group Combat 18

Darren Hoy. April 2002, the BNP supporter was sent to prison for 3 months for racially abusing people as they left an anti-fascist rally in Oldham.

In spite of this imposing list, when pressed by the BBC Panorama team in September 2001 on the convictions of its leading members, party leader Nick Griffin just lied. He claimed Tony Lecomber, his deputy merely had a conviction for handling fireworks. He also claimed that party chief steward Warren Bennett had a minor conviction “some 15 years ago” but had not been in trouble since. The truth is that Bennett has been named in the Scottish press for violence as recently as 2002. Griffin also tried to claim that Colin Smith had no convictions.""""


The sad thing is that now we have spoken up, we all said tonight that we were concerned about repercussions towards the band for speaking our minds. How shit is that? And how much does that suggest that the party may be run by thugs? And if you are in any doubt, my stepsons fathers friends, who were anti Nazi activists, peaceful but vocal, had their car firebombed by Combat 18, fact.


So, last word, if you are concerned about immigration, or asylum, fine, register your complaint strongly. BUT, don't don't confuse your democratic right to make a protest vote in a democratic society with supporting the BNP. Different matter entirely.....

1:15 am

 
Anonymous linda said...

apart from the obvious idiocy and blinkered view of the world, what strikes me about the BNP supporter and the rest of us is that we are not afraid to put our names on our comments! Also we most certainly do know what the BNP is about because instead of spending our time stirring up racial hatred we actually read/watch/listen to what is going on in the world and as I knew someone many years ago who had survived Auschwitz and had the tattoo on her arm as a permanent reminder I find the denial of the holocaust a disgusting insult to her memory.

5:38 pm

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You lot have been busy. Where do I start?

To your other anonymous caller I would say that my point about this being a Christian Country has nothing to do with the percentage of people who actually believe or not. It is more a case that Christian Countries and the Western way of life is being targeted just because it is the dominant force in the world. Remember 911 anybody? or 07/07 perhaps? Terrorism by extremists and non Christian religious nuts.
Yes the BNP are extremists too but this is not religious based. It is my right as a British Citizen to protect this Country by any means possible. If this means get rid of those people who come here and can't live by British Law then so be it.
By non British people I don't just mean black people, I mean who ever it happens to be but actually the main problem is the Asians who won't even have English taught as a first language in their schools. The other problem is illegal immigrants who can be white people. So you are wrong I don't just mean black people.
I don't pretend the British are perfect, you only have to look at what our hooligans do when they go abroad to see that. The difference though is that other countries won't tolerate this behaviour so why should we? Bradford Riots any one?
You may say we don't tolerate it but there is too much political red tape here that simply doesn't apply over there and it is this sort of thing the BNP will sort out whilst others sit round and discuss it.

As for Mr Sam Hirst, well I don't have an argument there. My only comment is to reverse it and say the same applies to the fundamentalists who teach and preach on our very streets the kind of terrorism we are expericencing today. So what we have is the opposite ends of each extreme fighting it out whilst everyone else sits on a political fence neither falling one side or the other. That is as just as bad in my view.

I think it's a little unfair to quote a hidden agenda at me. What was the Iraq war all about? removing the political power I think. So even our Mr Blair & Bush have their own hidden agenda and maybe they're as racist as you make me out to be. How come only the allied counrties are allowed to develop nuclear weapons? It's because our governments don't trust (lets face it) the ethnic countries who develop them. They are too much of a threat.

As for Linda there the view of the world is definately blinkered if it thinks this problem is not going away.

What do you all suggest? Personally I think the democratic approach is all but exhausted.

2:34 pm

 
Blogger Phileric said...

Well Mr BNP Man, you seem to have hit the nail on the head. It is the extremists that are causing the problem whilst the rest of us are trying to lead a civilised life. As you say, the BNP are also extremists and it appears to me that they are adding to the problem rather than helping to resolve it.

You mention that we should discuss this with BNP members rather than blindly accuse them of racial hatred. I would ask you to take your own advice and actually talk to the 'ethnics' that you accuse of running the country down. Most you will find are trying to live a normal, peaceful life and do not support the views of their own extremist sectors.

If you are suggesting that the BNP are an acceptable alternative to democracy then I cannot share this view. The alternative to democracy is dictatorship and history has taught that this simply does not work. Dictatorship is oppressive and interms of the Nazis, they even murdered members of their own 'Master race' for non conformity. When I think of Dictatorship regimes I think of Hitler, Mussolini, Sadam Hussain Bin Laden and the like. It doesn't paint a very good picture.

You seem to be suggesting that the BNP would be run as a dictatorship if they came to power. Scares the hell out of me.

If you look at the counries that are developing nuclear weapons, they are dictatorship regimes. Maybe that is why we ought to be extremely cautious about this. I wonder what Hitler would have done with a nuclear bomb?

No hard feelings - difference of opinion.

6:38 pm

 

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